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Ramblings from my latest Minimum Spend rush

Discussion in 'New Blog Posts' started by Matt, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Matt

    Matt Administrator Staff Member

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    I’ve happily moved away from almost all manufactured spend, but recently found myself with a somewhat pressing need to meet some hefty minimums. I learned some good lessons here, that perhaps will help. One thing I’ll suggest is that if you’re currently happy with doing giftcards/money orders or have some other gigs running, it might be harder to get onboard with what I’ve been up to, so put it in the someday/maybe file.

    Need Requirements


    Before Spend Requirements was need. I needed 6 nights (2 nights then 4 nights) of hotels (nice ones, because I’m valuing vacation time very highly right now) and I also needed to finish a full $1K of spend on a recent AS card application (acquired with pure speculation in mind).

    Spend Requirements

    • I identified a great SPG property that was 10K per night ($380 cash price) that worked for the first two nights. $5K Spend
    • I identified a 5 star hilton for 50K per night, or a 4 star DoubleTree for 20K per night. Haven’t decided on which one I will go for yet. $3K Spend.
    • That AS card.. $1K Spend

    All in, $9K spend required, and I need it fast because I want the hotels locked in.. we’re talking first 1-2 weeks of card ownership to hit these.

    The Strategy


    I held both the SPG and AS card ($6k Spend) for a week or so before executing spend. This allowed me to finish off spend on the other AS card I got (His/Hers) before focusing on the next ones. I decided that I would use a recent (future at the time) cruise to meet min spend, unfortunately I didn’t identify and execute the Hilton points (100K Surpass offer) until a day or so before departure, so it didn’t come along for the ride.

    As an aside, I try to work on a dual ‘Speculative Points’ like the AS ones, and ‘Target Points’ like the SPG ones wherever possible. This is a shift from where I was something in a lull and avoided all speculative applications.

    Paying a Premium


    After several years, and 11 free cruises, I’m starting to fall out of favor with NCL. The swine. For the first time, they set me at a tier level that doesn’t include free casino advances. I tried to quickly engineer that, and have them re-evaluate, but didn’t like the attitude of the person I was working with, and rather than ‘HUCA’ them I decided to just ignore the loss and grab a Margarita and hit the pool instead. That cruise the casino still gave me $200 of free money in addition to the cruise, so whatevs.

    I put the SPG card as the credit card on file for the cruise (this one scoops up all expenses) and pulled out about $6K from the Casino at 3%. I then visited the front desk of the cruise and asked to make a partial payment of $1K on the AS card. All in, $180 to meet the spend, in exchange for straight cash.

    I’d lie if I said it was instant. The line in the cruise front desk is akin to walmart, albeit a little shorter, but the key difference being that I was able to sip on a Pina Colada while waiting in it.

    First Lesson


    Paying cash to meet spend, at $30 per $1,000 makes you appreciate that the amount of min spend required to trigger a bonus matters. It was starkly obvious when dealing with the extremes of a $5K card and a $1K card. I do wonder if I would have noticed this difference if both cards were at $3K. Previously, when MSing it’s something I’ve never really cared about at the $0-$5K min spend levels, but it does make a difference in both cost and time. For the MSer’s, many times you cannot buy either the GC or the MO at that level in a single transaction, but you ignore that you are doing multiple trips to make spend because it is ‘free’.

    The fee for gaining 30,000 SPG (25+spend of 5) was $150. This means that my hotel cost $75 per night, and I have 10k leftover. 10K SPG is a solid night ‘somewhere’ but I still value these as ‘orphaned points’ because I have no pressing need for them right now.

    Luckily for me year 1 fee is waived, but frankly, if the card had $95 fee attached too, I would have still spent $245 for the bonus because it involved such a low level of friction to my daily routine. However, it reinforces that ‘travel is rarely free’ and instead pushes the notion of ‘deeply discounted’. I think that the willing acceptance to pay $150 to gain the bonus, vs run around town with giftcards and money orders is a big step.

    My takeaway from this is that I’m more than happy to pay $150 (or $245) for the two nights in the hotel that I wanted, even if I could have spent about $30 to do it for free, via several visits to Walmart…

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    Fancy enough for $75 a night, and I’m a loyal SPG Gold, don’t you know?

    So my first lesson is that min spending even with a 3% surcharge is a good deal for me.

    The next step of that was the Altitude Reserve.. while I didn’t do it this trip (more out of laziness than anything) I’m also happy to ‘Invest’ in Altitude Reserve points, with some caveats….

    An Altitude Reserve point is worth 1.5 cents, and earned at 3x on travel. Therefore, even without chasing a bonus, paying $30 for $45 of hotel travel is a good deal to me. It is an investment, because I would move asset class from cash, to funny money. I would hesitate to do this too far into the future speculatively due to the risk that the Altitude Reserve is not backed by Silver, like the USD, but I would move in a certain amount of points in order to cover my immediate 6-12 month travel.

    Back from the Cruise


    Two cards down, but $3K on the Hilton Surpass to go and a goal of 7 days to meet spend. My first thought was Kiva. I like using Kiva for lazy ‘MS’ it has no fee to fund, but it has two downsides:

    1. Risk of Loss (I lose money on Kiva, but it still has worked out less than 3% via luck and diversification.
    2. Time to repay (lock up of float for 6 months or longer has a price, vs getting cash from Walmart which can actually work out as a free loan..)

    My mind went then to the IRS. I expect another refund this year, and we haven’t paid any tax yet so in theory I could give them a loan and get it back. I generally don’t advise messing with the IRS though, and like Kiva, it has two downsides:

    1. A fixed fee to fund via credits card (less risk of loss, more guarantee of loss)
    2. Time to repay (3 months vs 6 months, but still a lockup period)

    Then I started thinking ‘outside the box’…

    Second Lesson


    After a while, It can be very easy to forget about real spend. Personally, for the last 2-3 years I’ve been doing min spend in 1 transaction in most cases, but since my time became limited, and options closed, things have changed. I rarely think about using a card for ‘real spend’ as I have a few that I use for this. With fewer options, I started looking around for real expenses that were close, and see if I could ‘Forward Shift’. I managed to apply about $1400 here via reimbursed business expenses. I generally avoid this also, because it is a PITA to track, but since the year is almost over, and I have good accounting software, I went for it.

    In addition, I was able to look forward to November/December and find items like our Car insurance payment, and was able to send in the funds a bit early.

    In terms of a relatable example, Resellers have a great option here, because if you buy $1K of inventory on a personal card, you can reimburse it instantly, even if it takes 6 months or more to sell. For me, it was mainly licenses and renewals for various professional organizations.

    One thing that caught me was ‘Swap Spending’ or the destruction of priority. With this, I mean that when my goal is 100% fixated on meeting $3K spend naturally, without ‘wasting’ 3% on a transaction fee, or locking up money for the IRS, I would forget the opportunity of the transaction.

    The Surpass was a bad example of this, because it offers some multipliers for Dining and Supermarkets, but I would typically use a OBC for Supermarkets (not MSing) for 5% and at least 2x to 3x points Dining card (TYP Premier, or other) those points further being uplifted by 25% or more at spend stage.

    The lesson I picked up here was that by shifting natural/organic spend to the card of the day, slipping a $100 grocery bill onto the new card vs the 5% card came at a cost. Often times that cost could be 3%, if you value the points (not the bonus) at 2%. So it might be better to stick with the old 5% transaction, and pay 3% out of pocket to build the $3K minimum.

    Interestingly, the Surpass could be a good argument for, or against this lesson. On the one hand, at 6x you could argue a full $3000 of Grocery spend being valued at 18,000 could be another night, or almost two, if you can find a property that fits. Alternatively, you might find that 18,000 points are orphaned in your account for years, and have no value.

    So what did I learn?

    • I’m fine paying 3% transactions fees. I’d pay more than 3% if I can profit.
    • I like profit.
    • I’m OK with fancy hotels.
    • Even if all MS dies, right now we’re looking at perhaps a 50% uplift from certain programs, which in some alternative universe, or dystopian future, is still epic. Especially if it involves less work than the glory days.





    (PS the USD dollar is fiat currency, it is backed by the US Government, which is supposed to be more stable than the Altitude Reserve, but who knows…)

    (PPS I now get all my referrals, wherever possible, from fellow humans. For a while I tried to support a few blogs that I like, but I really think that there’s a nice touch in getting a personal referral, so thanks to Amol for the SPG and to Brandon for the Surpass)






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  2. TheBOSman

    TheBOSman Moderator Staff Member

    Oh I'm sure you could sip a pina colada in the Walmart line at some Walmarts I've been to...
     
  3. GettingReady

    GettingReady Level 2 Member

    I’m beginning to feel guilty for not spending a 2% transaction fee... So about that SPG card and “once in a lifetime bonus”. I’ve heard multiple businesses don’t work as it’s tied to your SS. Managing for someone else?
     
  4. Matt

    Matt Administrator Staff Member

    Turns out the wife never got one for Biz.
     
  5. GRiZ

    GRiZ Level 2 Member

    Wow, 3% fee... that seems so steep for cheap MS, I at most am willing to pay 1.2% for MS.
     
  6. Matt

    Matt Administrator Staff Member

    The key is what the 1.8% spread entails. If you can get 1.2% for the same time and effort and experience (drinking a free cocktail while withdrawing cash) then it is better than 3%.

    If the 1.2% involves other steps than cocktails and cash, then you need to price that into your valuation.
     

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