I dipped my toes into Reselling in Q3, and decided to pretty much quit in Q4. For those in the reselling game this sounds a little weird, because Q4 is where the cheddar is, but I think it will all work out….
Reselling is a vastly profitable gig, far more so than any MS I’ve encountered. For every $100K per month WF story I can produce a $1M a month reselling story. Points and miles are a secondary thing. As I mentioned recently in my post, Reflecting, I no longer track points and miles earned, but to give some perspective, I’ve cashed in about $2000 in store loyalty points this week, and probably earned that again in points and miles.
I seeded my company with $6,000 in what is a very complicated financing system, you could think of it as Float 2.0, where I would use multiple credit sources and varying IRR inventory to extend the $6,000 into $20,000 of ‘Floated’ inventory. The cycle took about 3 months to go from owning no Inventory to getting everything in the warehouse. I have not touched the basis of the $6,000, nor have I paid a taxable distribution, and I’ve pulled about $3,000 out of the company tax free. Taxes.. you have to love them. I called this concept ‘living in the pocket’ when discussing this with a fellow financial blogger, FQF at a recent NAPFA conference.
In my short time exploring this gig I met some really smart people, I attended Trevor’s ResellingDo and shared some great stories, and beyond that, learned a lot from the team at Mile High Reselling Club. Also, you’ll find that once you put a bit of effort in, the broader community is a big help too.
The right way, and the wrong way, to resell
I’m a noob, but here’s my two cents of wisdom. The MSers and Miles and Pointers get into resale because they are desperate to keep their addiction alive. These guys get into serious trouble quickly. The classic approach for many is that they would go after a fast moving, big ticket item, such as an iPad. The problem with this is that fraud, returns, and gating make for huge penalties if you get caught by them, and they can destroy everything.
Great reselling comes from two channels:
- Clearance
- Replens
To be involved with clearance items, you need a team of strong people working with you. I saw (and left) this side of the gig quite quickly. Clearance chasing involves being willing to drive 100 miles to pick up some product, and knowing before you depart how much of it is in the store, and at what price. Most of the time you know this information before the store does…. This gig is hard work, but very lucrative, I don’t do this.
Replens are ‘replenishable’ items that you get a consistent profit on. The problem with replens is that once the item is announced, the price tanks and you lose out. It’s a really weird game.. for example, I recently had an item that I held exclusivity on and was selling at $35, I go on a business trip, go out of stock, and someone is selling on that replen listing at $31!
Understanding store loyalty programs and extreme stacking opens up many opportunities, but takes time, time where you need to Float, or Live in the Pocket™. I used this strategy to during my illustrious career as follows:
- Buy cost $8000
- Receive Inventory valued at $17,000
- Sale price of inventory $20,000
The reason that the above was possible is that I could use a gift card to lower the buy cost, and I could leverage a store loyalty system to double my inventory purchases. With the buy side so leveraged I was happy to accept a minor gain between $17,000 and $20,000 on sale, and sometimes sell even at a ‘loss’ because cashing out $17,000 for $16,000 with a basis of $8,000 is not a bad gig.
Quitting the gig
My Inventory is in for Q4 and my store credits are cashed out. I no longer look for clearance or other things. I’ve learned two store systems, and will dive in on either quickly and aggressively. If a key event occurs at either, I’ll buy beyond what I might have started with originally. This means transactions are larger, but less frequent. I can continue to resell but with no more than a few hours of work every week or two. My sales are down, but I have my time again.
If you want to get into reselling here’s a few pointers:
- Look for products that sell in the $30-150 range.
- Learn how loyalty systems can stack, and how to earn and burn the rewards.
- Know when the sales and clearance times are coming.
- Learn about rank and speed of sales.
- Learn about the technology needed to set up your system.
- Don’t be afraid to pay to join a group, this is a money business and if people are teaching you, pay them.
So.. am I really out of the game? Perhaps not, but it doesn’t control me. I’ve not done any MS for several months, but if I wanted to go buy a giftcard I do reserve that right. If I happen to sell $50K of inventory in November, I may just go out and buy $50K more… but the change for me is that I’m not a Reseller, I’m just an observer of the game.
Scott says
I did well with iPads for a long time. But you are right they are not the smart move. Eventually I figured out that I am better off spending $1k on 20-30 items than I was buying 1 or 2 iPads to resell.
Matt says
Yep. I found the balance is getting 20-30 items like that but not too crazily scattered since that makes it more cumbersome to list and track.
Alan says
Well said. I dabbled in reselling and did okay (mostly to meet credit card minimum spends). Did about $14,000 in sales with a profit of a little over $1k cash in my pocket (in addition to meeting credit card minimums) when everything was done. I was lucky and didn’t have any big ticket fraud/returns; but definitely a few of my reselling items lost me money due to reasons you mention in your post or a couple “learning experiences” (stupid mistakes) on my part. I came out ahead. Was it worth it? I guess. But not something I am ready to devote my time and energy to. For now I’m taking a break but like you, if I see an extra good deal I may jump back in.
Matt says
I think it’s important to be able to say ‘enough’ but also retain your ability to go back to it if you want. It should be a hobby, or it should be a business, but in either case you should decide on that.
losingtrader says
I’m curious if you calculate your earnings per hour, say, just for the sake of comparing it to “real” work–which i consider working for someone else.
I’m also curious if there is a big benefit in holding merchandise until other sellers are out of their supply (non-technology stuff) . In this case I’m assuming other sellers have reduced the selling price to move merchandise.
Matt says
I don’t work for someone else, and I don’t calculate this stuff as earnings per hour. The big thing is that once you’ve built the pipeline and system, it is a case of ‘feeding the beast’. The problem with this is that it is a pure transaction, buy for X, sell for Y. It doesn’t matter to me if I can make $1000 an hour doing that because it ends with the transaction.
I do calculate using time (IRR) and the stuff I have in the warehouse is priced above the market now in the hope that others will sell out and my price will become the floor.
MileageUpdate says
Man, I’d love to hear 1 story about someone clearing $1m in a month of reselling. That would be a fantastic, upbeat story.
Matt says
You could find a few examples, but many of the people who talk about it are selling their own snake oil services to teach the FBA noob.
Here’s a good example of a success story: http://www.inc.com/anna-hensel/2015-inc5000-how-pharmapacks-found-loyalty-among-e-commerce-giants.html
The key to this growth is that there isn’t really a cap on this sort of business, whereas MS is capped at your own credit line (including cycling) and your own ability to actually MS (including with helpers).
There’s a series of pipeline blocks on the growth. It doesn’t make it a bad gig, but it is a different gig… a real business can earn more by definition.
MileageUpdate says
Oh, I thought we were talking about someone you knew who was reselling and clearing 50k-100k-1m a month of income. I guess I misunderstood
craig says
What was your favourite loyalty program as it relates to reselling?
Matt says
Whatever pays me the most on the day. I have no loyalty to a program.
Discover was great with the double deal… saw 32% cashback from that when it tracked… after that, I just hit whatever link on the day is highest.