Understanding your retirement number

Matt

Administrator
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Your retirement number is the amount that you need to have saved in order to retire. I want to dive into this today and explore some really important things that come along with this. I’m going to define it ‘my way’ and bring in concepts such as the Investment Policy Statement, asset allocation, risk taking, and goal setting.

Limitations of the Retirement Number


The actual calculation of your number will always be somewhat of an educated guess. We are trying to gaze into the future and guess at our expenses. The trouble with this is that expenses are influenced both internally (how much you decide you need or want) and externally (how much the price changes due to supply, demand, innovation and inflation. You’re also going to have to take a guess as to how long you expect to live, and decide whether you want to leave a financial legacy, or spend up all your resources.

For these reasons, even though we attempt to define a fixed number, it will always be a fixed number coupled with a likelihood of success. Success being measured in how likely it is you have to get a job in McDonalds at the age of 78 in order to maintain your lifestyle.

Limitations aside, the knowledge is a powerful thing. Knowing what X is creates a ‘financial destination’ and the foundation of a roadmap to get there.

Calculating the number

  • Years in retirement x Cost of Living Adjusted (COLA) Amount needed per year
Years in retirement is a combination of what age you enter retirement, and what age you expect to die. The COLA amount should factor in other sources of income, such as social security and private pensions. Note that small changes can have a ripple effect. For example, if you elect to retire at 50 then your social security average will be reduced, so you’ll not only need to save more for a longer period, but also save more to make up that shortfall.

Warning – don’t aim low!


Even conservative investors sneak in ‘low numbers’ in this calculation. For example, they put inflation at current levels, which at this time are close to zero. It is better to look at historical rates, which may be around 3%, and also model further- what happens to your plan if inflation hits 4%? Likewise, for longevity.. while you should certainly consider family genetics, you should also consider how advancements in medical science are helping extend longevity. Most plans that I see now are shifting from an age of 90 towards an age of 95.

What do you do with your data?


Once you have your data, you can calculate your ‘number’. The math is basically an annuity calculation. You can play around with calculators online to see how things change. Here’s a basic one from Bankrate. Let’s look at example to explore the data further:

If I wanted to retire at 50 and take a $50,000 annual payment I’d have a retirement number of $2.06M saved 12 years from now. That assumes a 4% inflation rate and a 7% investment rate of return (2.88% inflation adjusted return). This is where things get interesting….That number today would be around $900K. That means if I had $900K saved today, I could retire at 50… it doesn’t mean that I could retire today on $900K saved because I would run out of money on the back end. But, it does mean that I wouldn’t need to put anything more into the fund in order to retire on target.

Building an Investment Policy Statement (IPS)


Your IPS is a document that is used to keep you on goal. Basically you sit down when you are of sound mind and write out what you want to achieve from your investment strategy. In my case here I would write down that I want to save $2.06M by the age of 50. I’d have to decide upon a risk tolerance level for my investments that got me there soundly, and in rough market patches refer back to this statement to keep me level headed.

But what happens when things go really well? If we look back, we are enjoying one of the longest running bull markets of history. What has that done to projections and investment policies? What do we do when we are ahead of the game?

Let’s say my IPS was set back at age 30. I decided that I want to save $2.06M by age 50, and I would be willing to build a portfolio of investments that offered a balanced return for my annual payments. I could calculate that I’d need to save $50,000 per year at 7%.


Projected Growth at 7%

Reality of actual returns

The chart above is a pretty model, it shows a linear path to goal based upon forecasted results. However, the reality is that if you are invested in assets other than fixed income, your chart isn’t going to look like that at all. So what happens when things go differently? Let’s look at the same 30 year old, using real return data. For sake of simplicity I’ll just use the DJIE. Taking this year to date, we have a real return ahead of the plan.


Actual vs Theory
What to do now?


Some people say that you should ‘stick to your IPS’ throughout. But where is the sense in that? If you were anticipating an average annualized return of 7% for the amount of risk you have, and you have exceed it, why keep the same risk level? The goal didn’t change, here we still have a person who wants to retire by 50, but with the current IPS he is ahead of the game.

Something needs to happen.

If you just keep with the original gameplan you will be off base. So if you really want to keep your retirement age at 50 you should make a decision to throttle down your investment growth. This can happen in one of two ways:

  • Reduce your annual payments, keep the same risk/return profile
  • Maintain your annual payments, adjust your risk/return profile
Behaviourally, the former is a dangerous option, as it encourages an increase in spending. If someone has been able to maintain $50,000 annual payments for years, they ‘won’t miss it’ if they keep this up. However, a reduction of payment will likely cause lifestyle inflation. Maintaining the payment, assuming that all other things on the balance sheet remain equal, should be manageable. And reducing risk means that if things do regress to the mean (which they ought to at some point within the 12 year investment horizon) the portfolio will have less impact from it.

Behavioural factors


When we explore this concept of being ahead of plan we bring up a lot of great thoughts. Some of them might be:

Why not let it ride? We could make even MORE money! This one is a great example of not having a plan. It shows that your goal wasn’t right in the first place. If I had really wanted $2.5M at age 50 so I could vacation twice a year, the that should be baked in at the planning stage. The goal in wealth accumulation is to risk absolutely as little as possible in order to reach goal.

What about retiring before 50? This is an interesting angle. If you just stick to plan you may be able to retire sooner than plan. It sounds good… but it also sounds sloppy. If you really want to retire at 49 why not model it out again? We know that we are about $60K ahead of schedule, what does that actually mean to your plan?

Conclusion


If we start thinking about a firm retirement number we can calculate the payment required to achieve it, and the rate of return needed to help get us there. An IPS will be the tool that we can use to keep us level headed when the markets are down, but when they are up, should we take a moment to decide whether we still need that much risk? From my experience, people who have a significant amount of money are looking for less risk and more consistency, whereas people who are working their way up are willing to take risks to get to goal. Perhaps we should reflect on the amount of risk we actually need in order to reach the goals we set a few years ago?




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misterbwong

Level 2 Member
I've always liked FireCalc for this kind of calculation. http://www.firecalc.com/ It doesn't rely on a projected X% investment return but instead shows you a large graph of how your investment would have done historically over many different starting points in the past. Instead of saying you need $X,XXX,XXX to retire with an income of Y, it says $X,XXX,XXX will give you a ZZ% chance of retiring at your Y income target, based on historical market performance.

Of course historical performance is never guaranteed, etc etc.
 

ElainePDX

Level 2 Member
We never had an IPS and haven't been particularly good investment managers, but we are within sight of retiring and will be able to do it comfortably. I feel very fortunate and lucky that the "miracles" of employer matches and compound interest got us there.

But now we need to (maybe) consolidate our assets and a few meetings with financial planners have convinced us we shouldn't do it all on our own. Guess this isn't the thread for advice on that, but it made interesting reading ;) !

I will continue looking around here, in hopes of finding a thread that addresses what fee-based RIAs typically charge, that is, what % of assets under management are seen as reasonable fees and what services that typically comes with.

Update: Looks like I found the right thread:
https://saverocity.com/forum/threads/can-you-spot-a-bad-financial-advisor.401/#post-4486
 

Matt

Administrator
Staff member
We never had an IPS and haven't been particularly good investment managers, but we are within sight of retiring and will be able to do it comfortably. I feel very fortunate and lucky that the "miracles" of employer matches and compound interest got us there.

But now we need to (maybe) consolidate our assets and a few meetings with financial planners have convinced us we shouldn't do it all on our own. Guess this isn't the thread for advice on that, but it made interesting reading ;) !

I will continue looking around here, in hopes of finding a thread that addresses what fee-based RIAs typically charge, that is, what % of assets under management are seen as reasonable fees and what services that typically comes with.

Update: Looks like I found the right thread:
https://saverocity.com/forum/threads/can-you-spot-a-bad-financial-advisor.401/#post-4486
It's a complicated topic.. you hit the nail on the head by asking not just what do they charge, but what comes with it. Even with firms that appear to check all the boxes (CFP, Fee Only, Napfa members etc) they can charge a lot of money for little in the way of service.

With my firm I segmented my service into 3 areas,

  • Financial Planning - all aspects of the financial plan, from a budget, through retirement planning, employee benefit evaluation, estate planning strategies, trusts gifting, etc..
  • Investment Management - just the asset allocations and locations, which can include a passive ETF portfolio and more advanced techniques, such as options hedging when appropriate (EG when you have an employee with a lot of net worth tied up in company stock). This comes with rebalancing and tax loss harvesting.
  • Wealth Management- combining the two.
I charge the following fees:

  • Financial Planning 0.5% assets for first 3M, 0.25% thereafter
  • Investment Management 0.25%
  • Wealth Managment 0.6% first 3M, 0.3% thereafter
In addition to my fee, there are underlying ETF fees, which I've selected as very low cost, no trading fees or other fees. I tried to price it below what I felt was an overly expensive market.

Happy to talk over things with you in Vegas, to hammer out what level of service you might need, and if you even need an advisor. I'm still of the mindset that if we can hack it smartly then lets do so.
 

ElainePDX

Level 2 Member
Thanks @Matt, most helpful! If it wasn't for first your blog and then this forum (and TBB) too!) I would be much less knowledgeable on the fee structures and possible conflicts associated with choosing a financial planner/investment adviser.

Your fees are far more reasonable that what we were quoted by fee-based managers. By a lot! Yes, let's try to talk some in Vegas.

Thanks!
 

12th Man

New Member
Knowledge is power! The more you know, the more successful you will be at setting yourself up for retirement. I would like to add that it is not always about putting away X amount into savings that can have a great impact on your retirement goals, but what you decide to not spend can have as much an impact. I have read a number of books on living with less, and have been successful at trimming some of my expenses, and modifying my lifestyle. This lifestyle ultimately lead me to this site, so I am eternally grateful. I have listed the web address to Jeff Yeager's books in case any of you would like to read them. I suggest the local library, as it is FREE....one of Jeff's suggestions... ha ha. Wish all of you the best when it comes to attaining your goals.

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Suzie

Level 2 Member
Could someone point me in the right direction on the question of LTC? Something to read that isn't from a LTC compay? :rolleyes: We were advised to purchase LTC at the rate of $24,000/year (for 2) for the next 7 years. Death benefit of $200,000 each. LTC benefit of $176,000 each - which by my calculation is worth about 18 months of care each. It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me - I'd rather invest that money and be self insured, but I feel like I don't know enough to make an informed decision.

I apologize if this is the wrong place for this question.
 

Barefootwoman

Level 2 Member
Hi Suzie, I don't have a direct answer to your question. You may have already considered this, but I was advised to consider home equity as a form of long term care insurance.
 

Suzie

Level 2 Member
Hi Suzie, I don't have a direct answer to your question. You may have already considered this, but I was advised to consider home equity as a form of long term care insurance.
Thank you - had not considered that and was not mentioned by the new investment team we were interviewing.
 

GettingReady

Level 2 Member
LTC insurance is opening up a can of worms. There are so many different types and coverage varies widely. I would suggest a LOT of research before buying any policy and don't forget insurance companies are a business and stack the odds in their favor. Their goal is to make money not lose it. Kinda like casinos.
 

chener

New Member
Anyone here ever use Personal Capital to analyze their investments? I've personally found it useful to track how well my portfolio allocations match up with my IPS and to see if how likely I'll be on target to reach my retirement goals.
 

GettingReady

Level 2 Member
I really like Personal Capital but bypassed the financial advisor part. Thankfully they're not pushy. I don't link my MS CCs or accounts though. :p
 
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