I’ll use the term success in its most liberal and artistic form… but I do feel that by factoring in the new angles of this post, my recent Failed – Hacking Vegas Comps becomes a LOT more viable. I know that many readers here are travel fanatics, as such some things I talk of are natural to pick up on, and others appear very strange in comparison, however, the Vegas comp gig is just another loyalty program, so we need to be able to understand inefficiencies and opportunities just the same.
In my original post I indicated that I didn’t approve of the strategy because the chance of loss was too high – you could easily lose a bunch of money if fate decided it wasn’t your time to be lucky. However, if we start changing the words ‘a bunch of money’ to ‘bankroll’ and then cap it, correlate it to bet, and set bet at the rate that creates a tangible ROI we start getting somewhere.
The fixed things we can look at are room rate, number of vacations desired, and what the house is looking for. Personally, when I was living in NYC I enjoyed having the Borgata as a weekend getaway, we could pop down there for free, stay in a suite, get top shelf booze and great food, and not really have to pay anything for it once status was established. I’d value a weekend there conservatively at $300 (it would cost often double that) and could pop down maybe 6 times times per year. So let’s say I value the comp trips at $1800. There are number of other sweeteners that I’ll get to shortly, but all told I could easily say I’d be happy ‘paying’ about $3,000 per year for what I get back out of my status there. As such, we have a number that we could ‘invest’ at the tables in terms of maximum loss.
What you need to know about Comps
The comp equation is simple: avg bet x hours played x house edge = Theo and Comps are a percentage of Theo kicked back to you. But there is more than just a quick kickback, and when we understand that aspect, the equation changes, again, value is subjective, but we will be able to create some tangible opportunities from this.
If you are a frequent flyer, you may have heard of “mileage running” – these folk buy a revenue ticket on an plane in order to earn miles. The generally accepted price for a Mileage Run is under 5 cents per mile. The Flight Deal is a good place to see such routes; one they just highlighted is San Jose to Boston (or vice versa) for $296, this would net you 5,992 miles at 4.9 cents per mile. The thing with Mileage Runs is that they aren’t really geared towards just buying the miles, so much as buying towards status. With airline programs you can redeem miles for award travel, but if you fly X number of miles on revenue tickets you also gain Elite Status.
The comp game in Casinos is the same thing. You should look at the comps earned through the Theo equation as ‘miles to be burned’ you’ll get some cash credit to use in the restaurant or bars, sometimes in the shops too (though not always at 1:1 ratio) and also consider the “Elite Status” aspect, it actually is far more generous than any Elite Status you will gain from an airline.
What makes them better
There is more than meets the eye from Loyalty programs. Here’s an example from the Borgata, where I have ‘Elite Status’.
In addition to what you see here I get 2 free nights 7 days week in a Suite at the Borgata, or a Vista room at The Waterclub. I also get a slew of other perks that aren’t really listed here, such as any month I go down they give me $50 to spend on food and beverage, plus “match plays”, slot dollars, free concerts, and goodies like cameras, luggage, every month. I also get an annual $300 -$500 holiday gift. If you find a place like the Borgata that offers $200-$400 in “match plays” I’d argue that you could have another such gaming session in the future with these with almost no chance of losing since they are money makers.
Once you get the Black Label card it is yours for a year, and you can get it in just a day of play. Now, if you go back to the failed model and work as a team and bet big enough and long enough (4hrs is the golden number) you might be able to get the card in a single evening. Here’s how you make it even better:
- Find a busy table, if it is busy the game moves more slowly, you get fewer rolls per hour and your risk reduces.
- Vary your bet. Craps has a constant monitor on the game (the Box Man) so you can’t completely trick them, but if you plan to bet $150 I’d recommend start by betting more, first few bets of $200 and then later reduce, remembering to pop up to par or above on occasion to obfuscate. If you always bet exactly $150 you will get that as an average, if you bet around it you might be able to manipulate it upwards.
- Partial sit out. If you are a three, you could have one person sit out, and the others can continue the betting strategy on a lower level, this further reduces risk, but if you drop out a roll or two it won’t impact your play, if you can have someone watch your chips,leaving them at the table while taking a restroom break will keep the clock ticking.
The three factors above influence each of the variables of loyalty rewards, you are stretching your dollar with every one.
Stacking and Racking
We talk a lot here about stacking bonuses when it comes to rebates and frequent flyer stuff, particularly on the Reselling side of things. Opportunities exist here also for stacking. One bonus that I see a lot in the Borgata is a Slot Dollar Multiplier. Slot Dollars are a similar comp opportunity aimed at slot players, and on occasion they will offer up to 10x regular earnings. An opportunity may exist for further stacking if you can find a casino that offers a slot dollar multiplier and that also offers a machine based game of craps.
If we look at the failed strategy with these new eyes, the next thing to do is to think about how we could stretch it out further, how to take just X hours and squeeze out every penny from it. For this I would recommend CET (Caesars Entertainment) the reason for this chain is that they have an affiliation with Norwegian Cruise Lines, so it is possible you could ‘parlay’ your play into a free or discounted cruise. Although our main plan will be to gain Elite Status with Caesars for free rooms and other perks.
Additionally, there are other places that will comp your entire trip for just holding status at another casino, similar to a status match, one of these just came up in The Forum which I think I might just go ahead and do, 4 nights at a top notch resort….
Please note, I am not advocating gambling here, its a waste of money, as is flying to places you don’t want to go in order to gain status. I am trying to show you how you could ‘mileage run’ a casino program. Featured Image Credit to http://www.geofffox.com/
Jeff says
CET has a pretty good program to earn diamond status in a day by playing low hold video poker. It has become less possible in Atlantic City because they have increased the tier point requirements for most good games there. There are a couple of other opportunities across the USA at some of their other casinos to take advantage of this, especially on multiplier days.
Bear says
Interesting. Thanks.
Daniel says
Don’t know anything about the Caesars rewards program as I’ve always gambled at MGM. Does it make a difference to your math if you achieve status with the total rewards visa before you start gambling ?
Matt says
Not really- the essence of this hack is you become a whale, which means you might appear to be a Gold, Diamond, etc but additionally you have a real history and ranking. To do this hard and fast means that your won’t earn a lot of regular comp- the diamond level does offer a slight boost here, but it wouldn’t make an impact to this plan.
Matt says
I should add- it’s not CET specific- this works anywhere.
Daniel says
Understood it’s not CET specific. But starting out with status as MGM for me (thanks to Hyatt) meant that I get an extra boost on the match play that I earned on “spend” that would have otherwise been earning a lower amount while I work towards status… Not sure if that made sense, it’s been a long day for me
Matt says
Makes sense, I’ll have a look. This works well enough without that- if there is a boost then it would certainly make it better.
steven says
Matt, with the slot multiplier how does that work is it for a limited number of spins or limited number of time ?
It seems like there may be a higher probability to come out profiting with that ? Especially if one only played while there were multipliers and free play because none of your money is at risk.
I remember getting 5 dollars free play at the revel, got lucky on the slot and we turned it into 50 then cashed out.
Jeff says
CET runs promotions whereby for a particular gambling day you earn X time comps for that day only. I’ve seen them as high as 15X, but those were often targeted. It’s not uncommon especially in areas where they are trying to attract people to see these offered to everybody. Some times it is a fixed number for everybody, sometimes a “mystery” multiplier. For example, Harrahs Gulf Coast, a CET property is running a mystery multiplier every Tuesday and Wednesday in August. You swipe your card and it tells you how much your earned comps will be multiplied for that day. Sometimes they place a maximum number of comps that will be multiplied limit especially as the multipliers get higher because it can turn a negative game into a positive game (in the long run) when the multiplied comps are factor in. This is true of video poker especially. Standard disclaimer of just because it is long run positive, it doesn’t mean you won’t lose hundreds or thousands of dollars in the short run.
Matt says
Thanks Jeff. For the Borgata I get emails of 3x, 5x or 10x every now and then, for a certain day. While the upper band of those can work well for slots, I’d still be looking to combine it with an automated craps table if that was possible… I saw some in Vegas, and that could be very lucrative.
Jeff says
I believe that Borgata may have that though I’ve never played. I do know some Vegas casinos do have them and do not massively increase playthrough to earn comps. I’m most familiar with Caesars which unfortunately does.
CET electronic games (even Roulette which has a relatively big house hold) often require a much larger amount of play to earn tier credits. I know blackjack requires 4.5X as much as most video poker which requires 2X as much as slots to earn tier credits and roulette is 2X as much play as video poker. Not sure about craps.