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<p>[QUOTE="Matt, post: 464475, member: 1"]</p><p>I'm sure racism and sexism is real and makes a difference, but there's also always an excuse.</p><p></p><p>I grew up in a town that was almost exclusively white, but had tremendous poverty and crime. It got more mixed (a little) but in 2009 was something like (from Wikipedia):</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Over 218,000 individuals are white; 1,106 are of mixed race; 2,215 are Asian – mainly Bangladeshi (1,015); 300 are black; and 1,195 belong to other ethnic group.</li> </ul><p>But despite that, from my school only 3-4 people went to college (other than myself) from a year of I guess over 100 kids. In fact, I think probably more than half didn't go to high school, and dropped out at around age 15 for menial jobs or just to Netflix and chill.</p><p></p><p>So let's say my school year had 99 white guys and one from Iraq (I used to play ball with him) and of that, 5 of us got to college. Do that 95 guys who dropped out really have a better chance of working the system that I outlined?</p><p></p><p>Why did I get away with it? Your answer (US biased) is that race and gender had an impact - but I could ask you to pick a dozen guys from the 100 in my school year and they would fail.</p><p></p><p>So what would the UK answer be? Class would be one. We have the excuse of classism in the UK, and if you asked the dozen guys why I would succeed where they didn't it would be more like 'he's posh' or upper class.</p><p></p><p>But the reality is that I grew up in poverty just like they did, had the same broken home, spent time living in council estates (projects). Things do matter, but I believe that it is very possible to do a lot more than most people think, if they start thinking a little differently.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Matt, post: 464475, member: 1"] I'm sure racism and sexism is real and makes a difference, but there's also always an excuse. I grew up in a town that was almost exclusively white, but had tremendous poverty and crime. It got more mixed (a little) but in 2009 was something like (from Wikipedia): [LIST] [*]Over 218,000 individuals are white; 1,106 are of mixed race; 2,215 are Asian – mainly Bangladeshi (1,015); 300 are black; and 1,195 belong to other ethnic group. [/LIST] But despite that, from my school only 3-4 people went to college (other than myself) from a year of I guess over 100 kids. In fact, I think probably more than half didn't go to high school, and dropped out at around age 15 for menial jobs or just to Netflix and chill. So let's say my school year had 99 white guys and one from Iraq (I used to play ball with him) and of that, 5 of us got to college. Do that 95 guys who dropped out really have a better chance of working the system that I outlined? Why did I get away with it? Your answer (US biased) is that race and gender had an impact - but I could ask you to pick a dozen guys from the 100 in my school year and they would fail. So what would the UK answer be? Class would be one. We have the excuse of classism in the UK, and if you asked the dozen guys why I would succeed where they didn't it would be more like 'he's posh' or upper class. But the reality is that I grew up in poverty just like they did, had the same broken home, spent time living in council estates (projects). Things do matter, but I believe that it is very possible to do a lot more than most people think, if they start thinking a little differently. [/QUOTE]
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